Ephesians 3 and a Biblical View on Healing from D.I.D.

Recently, we’ve attempted to make clear to those individuals who claim to be Christian that salvation does not occur by asking the person of Jesus to enter into a spiritual space within themselves that they are calling their “heart.”

Because of what many of us have been taught from a very early age, and continue to be taught within church environments and/or Christian groups, we realize that to many people, this is a very controversial statement. And we realize that by making such a statement, we risk turning people away from our information.

We have said, however, that if anyone would like to send us Scripture showing that salvation takes place by “asking Jesus into your heart,” then please share those verses with us via our contact page, and we will look into the Scriptures and amend, if necessary, our personal views and our public stance, so as to be in line with the Word of God.

So recently, as part of a larger email that we won’t get into in this article (but we will discuss part of it at a later time, either on a video or, more likely, in an article), an individual emailed us, pointing to Ephesians 3:17-19 as being Biblical proof that salvation is asking Jesus into one’s heart.

Now, this woman has emailed us several times before, sharing with us that she has D.I.D. (dissociative identity disorder), and explaining the process she puts herself through in order to heal and integrate. I don’t believe she has shared the totality of her methods, but according to her emails, a large part of her process involves her finding each part of her and instructing them to “ask Jesus into their heart.”

I have personally responded to her many times before, but I’m writing this article now because we have recently been writing about the Biblical proof (if any) of salvation being secured by asking the person of Jesus to reside within a spiritual space inside of ourselves that some call the “heart”; and, if asking Jesus into this “heart” (a process that can begin what is often called “Inner Healing” or “working with Jesus”) is the Biblical way to heal from the issues surrounding dissociative disorders.

The Emails

The process she goes through and shared with us was complicated and somewhat lengthy (I’m lengthy as well when I explain things, so I’m not complaining at all about the lengthy part… lol), but here are some highlights about what she has said about the process she goes through:

When I speak to a fragment or to more than one if there’s more that are conscious, I ask them if they would like to accept Jesus in their hearts, ask forgiveness of sins and make a pact of love with God.

Here are some of the prayers she speaks:

“I ask the Father to please unite the fragments of my spirit, soul, body and conscience so that they can all accept Jesus in their hearts at once speaking through our lips. I ask that my spirit and soul agree with me and request the same thing. I ask this in the name of Jesus, amen.”

“Dear Heavenly Father, please forgive me for all of my sins. I accept Jesus Christ into my heart as my personal Lord and savior and His blood cleanses me from all sin….” [the prayer continues, but this is the first portion of it]

“I make a pact of love with the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit and I seal it with the blood of Jesus and with a kiss.” [the prayer continues, but this is a portion of it]

… and she wrote that she then “makes a kiss in the air.”

She has also expressed the following:

“My teacher has been the Holy Spirit and all He’s done is integrate me more and more.”

“I feel the calling to one day help others but I will only do it with His instruction and guidance and on His timing. It is such a delicate matter, as you know.”

I responded by expressing how complicated she is making the entire affair, and I gave examples of how simple it really is to find freedom and healing according to the Word of God.

I also explained to her the dangers of being fooled by an antichrist through believing and following after the false doctrine of salvation being “asking Jesus to come into one’s heart,” and I warned her that some elements of her “prayers” are a type of white magic.

Her most recent email was, in part, defending the action of asking Jesus into her heart, and she said:

“It [asking Jesus into your heart] is Biblical and not dangerous if you are very specific and say Jesus Christ, for He is the only one who goes by the name Jesus Christ and it is one of the ways the Holy Spirit has acted in healing me and in integrating my parts.

She then quoted Ephesians 3:17-19, but here is the larger passage in Ephesians:

Ephesians 3:14-19 (BSB)

“… for this reason I bow my knees before the Father, from whom every family in heaven and on earth derives its name. I ask that out of the riches of His glory He may strengthen you with power through His Spirit in your inner being, so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith. Then you, being rooted and grounded in love, will have power, together with all the saints, to comprehend the length and width and height and depth of His love, and to know the love of Christ that surpasses knowledge, that you may be filled with all the fullness of God.”

[this is part of the Apostle Paul’s prayer for the church at Ephesus]

So, in this article, we will examine Ephesians 3 (specifically, verse 17) and decide whether or not these verses are: a.) speaking of how to receive salvation, and b.) as a matter of obtaining that salvation, instructing us to ask the person of Jesus (or, the person of Jesus Christ) to enter into a spiritual space within what many are describing as being our “heart”.

First, however, since the correspondence surrounding this “asking Jesus into one’s heart” was within the larger context of a dissociative disorder, I’d like to address this first.

Healing from a Dissociative Disorder

(Please remember that I am not a mental health professional and the following information is not to be taken as medical advise. Please see our disclaimers.)

Without getting into any private and personal details, you (the woman who emailed us) have said that you have a dissociative disorder, that you have alters, and that you are healing and integrating your parts using a strategy that, according to the emails you have written to us, relies heavily upon taking the parts of you through a process where they ask Jesus to come into their hearts.

Note: for the reading audience, if you don’t know what a dissociative disorder is all about, I’ve already written a short description of dissociative disorders and D.I.D., and you can go here to read it.

(https://lorengrace.com/home/an-overview-to-understanding-dissociation-and-d-i-d/)

First, I’d like to say that integration is not necessary in order to find healing. If you want to integrate, fine. But that is a personal choice that not everyone is comfortable with, and for some, it may not even be completely and one hundred percent possible (a controversial statement, likely… but this is my opinion).

Furthermore, when speaking of the healing process for those who are dissociative, many people say “heal from dissociation.”

Although I’ve used that phrase in the past, I now prefer to more carefully choose my words and say: heal from the trauma that caused the dissociative disorder in the first place.” This, I believe, is a more accurate description of the process of healing.

Why?

Because dissociation is a disorder, not a disease or illness, and it is a coping mechanism. In fact, everyone dissociates to a degree, as you will see if you read the above-linked resource. Do they need “healing” from their dissociation?

When dissociation develops into a disorder (because of various sorts of trauma) then one of the ways to get a handle on such dissociation is to find and learn better and healthier and Biblical ways of coping. This is something that can take a long time, depending upon the person and the severity of their dissociation, because coping mechanisms are responses to stimuli that can be very deeply ingrained. And, when you consider that severe dissociative disorders generally begin in early childhood (although this is debated), it can take a while to learn new habits… new ways of coping… etc.

Learning new ways of coping could be described as a type of “healing,” I suppose, but healing from those traumas that caused the dissociative disorder in the first place… that’s where the real healing comes from.

This is my opinion, however. And maybe I’m splitting hairs, so to speak. But I strongly believe there is a distinct and important difference between “healing from dissociation” and “healing from the traumas that caused the dissociative disorder in the first place.”

The former deals with the symptoms. The latter deals with the root of the problem.

Again… my opinion.

Nevertheless, putting my opinion aside and our differing views on what healing actually is, I’d like to remind you that ultimate healing is from the Heavenly Father, through the working of His Spirit within us — a working that will always and forever line up with the Word of God, by the way — and is only possible because of the finished work of Jesus Christ.

I’ve talked about this healing process many times throughout my personal blog.

(see: Snapshots: My Memory Album)

We have written about the healing process in this blog, as well.

(there are many places, but a good place to start is here: Before You Email Us: Deliverance is Not a Destination)

We have also written some about the process in our book.

(see: Finding Freedom and Other Helps Regarding Dissociative Disorders)

And since many people (including yourself, sad to say) still don’t understand what we have been trying to share for nearly three years now about a Biblical view on freedom and deliverance, Carolyn and I recorded a video series where we discussed the different Biblical steps to find freedom and deliverance.

(see: Deliverance and Spiritual Warfare 101)

So I won’t go over all of it in this article, too. It’s already been written and talked about, over and over again.

But here’s what I’d like to say to you, specifically: if your methods of healing do not line up with the Word of God, then they are not of God nor of His Spirit.

And since, fundamentally, what you have shared with us about your healing methods are not Scriptural, as I will attempt to fully explain in this article, then there is no doubt in my mind that the Spirit of God is not leading you, as you believe. Instead, you are slowly being primed to accept false doctrine to a greater extent than you have before, and you are being prepped to then go spread that false doctrine to others, including the woman celebrity you mentioned in your email… but, that is a topic that will wait for the other article. And we will write about it, because both Carolyn and myself have had personal experiences with being sent on assignment in the astral to particular celebrities to sway them in a specific direction that Satan wants them to go; and what you have shared with Carolyn and I via your emails leads me to believe that you may be used by the demonic in such a fashion, if you don’t recognize the false doctrine you’ve fallen for, confess your sin, repent (turn away from it), and start to follow God’s plan as is clearly and simply laid out in Scripture.

But that’s the topic for another article. For now, I want to discuss your particular method of healing, and I hope that what I write here does not come across as overly harsh… But there are some things that, while it grieves me to have to say, need to be said not only for your benefit in order to point out the fallacy you have fallen for, but also for the benefit of others to be warned of the same danger. ❤

Complications

The complications about your healing (integration) process that you share throughout your emails are not Biblical. In your emails, you go into greater detail than we have given in this article, but you complicate your own self and your dissociative disorder by categorizing the splits of yourself into soul splits, spirit splits, body splits, and consciousness splits.

What does that all mean?!

I understand that within some circles, there is a debate about whether or not the alters (parts, splits, whatever name you want to use to describe them) are spirit-splits or soul-splits. But personally, I think it’s a ridiculous thing to ponder, and from what I’ve observed, the debate seems to be amongst “christian” occultists, who want to make a differentiation between the soul and the spirit with the intent to divide the soul from the spirit, an activity that is not Biblical whatsoever. (See: Spirit Man)

(And, by the way, I’m not saying that other groups of people don’t debate this topic. I’m just sharing what I’ve observed.)

But you have further complicated the topic by adding “consciousness splits” and “body splits,” a concept that isn’t logical, given the definition of “consciousness” and “body,” and how those aspects of our being actually functions.

(Unless, of course, you are giving a “hidden” — occult — meaning to and function of the body and consciousness, which would explain your complication.)

I wonder, though, how much all of that is a purposeful complication…?

By this I mean, I wonder how much of this is a complication that you think you should have based upon what you have heard from other people, and not necessarily based upon what actually IS with you.

Maybe I’m completely off base with that assessment… If I am, I apologize. Please forgive me.

Regardless, you complicate the process of healing. You complicate your scripted prayers. Everything is so complicated.

And in spite of how complicated you and your parts actually may or may not be, God’s solution is very simple.

Here’s a piece of advise: any time people come to you with complicated methods whereby to find healing, ignore them. They simply aren’t of God!

But while God’s solutions are simple, do you know who loves to complicate matters?

Satan.

Satan complicates. God simplifies.

Making a Pact of Love

You wrote:

I make a pact of love with the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit and I seal it with the blood of Jesus and with a kiss (make a kiss in the air).

I’ve read your explanation in your emails about this part of the ritual you go through with your alters. However, when it comes to finding freedom and deliverance, this process is not Biblical, and I’m going to try to explain to you why.

What you have described is a “white magic” ritual, not so much because “making a pact of love” sounds like a bad thing….

Although…

The word “pact” means: “A formal agreement; a treaty. An arrangement between people; a compact.”

(https://www.thefreedictionary.com/pact)

One synonym of “pact” is “agreement.” Another is “deal.” And one other synonym for “pact” is “covenant,” which seems more along the lines of what you are attempting to do, since you are “sealing with the blood of Jesus” (and a kiss).

Let’s look at another word: oath.

An “oath” is defined as: “A solemn, formal declaration or promise to fulfill a pledge, often calling on God, a god, or a sacred object as witness.”

(https://www.thefreedictionary.com/oath)

Two synonyms for “oath” are “compact” (another word for “pact) and “covenant.”

So as you can see, although the meaning can be slightly different depending upon usage, “oath” can be another word for “pact.”

Here’s what the Bible says about us, as humans, making oaths or pacts:

James 5:12 says: “Above all, my brothers, do not swear, not by heaven or earth or by any other oath. Simply let your “Yes” be yes, and your “No,” no, so that you will not fall under judgment.”

And Matthew 5:33-37 says: “Again, you have heard that it was said to the ancients, ‘Do not break your oath, but fulfill your vows to the Lord.’ But I tell you not to swear at all: either by heaven, for it is God’s throne; or by the earth, for it is His footstool; or by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the great King. Nor should you swear by your head, for you cannot make a single hair white or black. Simply let your ‘Yes’ be ‘Yes,’ and your ‘No,’ ‘No.’ Anything more comes from the evil one.

So… you may want to take those verses into consideration when making your pacts (promises, oaths to do something) with God by anything at all, whether it is an oath of love or something else. According to the Word of God, that isn’t a wise thing to do.

Sealing with the Blood of Jesus

Here’s what you wrote again:

I make a pact of love with the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit and I seal it with the blood of Jesus and with a kiss (make a kiss in the air).

As far as sealing your covenant with the blood of Jesus, in Luke 22:20, the Bible talks about the new covenant between God and mankind being sealed with the blood of Jesus:

In the same way, after supper He took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is poured out for you.”

Most translations don’t use the word “sealed,” but the Good News Translation and the International Standard Version use the phrase “[God’s] new covenant is sealed by [with] my blood.”

So the concept of “sealing with the blood” is in Scripture, certainly.

But here’s your problem: the blood of Jesus has sealed God’s covenant with us — His new covenant with us — and not any covenant we try to make with God, and it is so we may receive eternal life. And the only one who can make that covenant with the Father is Jesus Christ. See: Hebrews 9:15. (There are additional Scriptures posted on that link that are speaking to the same concept, so please read them.)

Bottom line: your pact of love with God and sealing that pact by the blood of Jesus is not Scriptural.

Sealing with a Kiss

Here’s what you wrote again:

I make a pact of love with the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit and I seal it with the blood of Jesus and with a kiss (make a kiss in the air).

The act of kissing isn’t a bad thing, necessarily (depending upon circumstances, I suppose…), but sealing your pact of love with God is not Scriptural at all.

Customs regulating greetings vary from culture to culture. In the US, it’s common to shake hands. In the Bible times, they greeted with a kiss, and this is spoken of in Scripture.

In Scripture we see the custom of greeting with a kiss also being a sign of respect, usually for a king or a Rabbi. (Judas used this customary sign of respect when greeting Jesus, who had taken on the character of Rabbi, to betray him.)

Also, the members of the early church were told to “greet one another with a holy kiss” or a “kiss of love,” which was signifying their brotherly love and affection for one another.

And, of course, kissing can also be an action between two individuals who have intimate feelings for one another, and can be a precursor to sexual activity.

But if you read those verses within context (for a list of verses where this concept is spoken of, see: https://biblehub.net/search.php?q=kiss)), you will see that “kissing” was simply a sign of respect, love, and affection from one person to another. It had nothing to do with oaths or covenants or promises or pacts, and certainly not a seal of a covenant with God.

Yet you are taking this custom that is mentioned in Scripture, and giving it an application within your “prayer” that is giving a deeper meaning to your symbolic “kiss,” intending it to be a seal of your oath or pact with God.

There is nothing at all Biblical about this! It is “white magic.” It is “christian” witchcraft.

White Magic (“Christian” Witchcraft)

Please consider this excerpt from our book in which we were quoting the late Kurt Koch:

In “Between Christ and Satan,” Kurt Koch describes the necessary elements for spell-casting: invoking (calling on a spirit); charming (chanting particular words or sounds); symbolic action; and using a fetish, or, objects (page 85).

In this same book, Koch gives two notable examples of spell-casting:

Ex. 105. A farmer’s son suffered repeatedly from a severe pain in his knee. He took the advice of a magic charmer and carried out the following procedure. On a night when the moon was on the wane he went out into a field. He then invoked the Trinity, repeated a magic charm, anointed his knee with oil and finally threw kisses at the moon. Afterwards the pains left him!

This example clearly illustrates what we have just said. The invoking of the Trinity reveals that white magic was used. The magic charm replaced a prayer. Anointing with oil was the symbolic action and the moon acted as the fetish. As the moon waned so the pain left him.

Ex. 109. A minister’s wife was given a salve by a woman in the church. The salve had been produced by a magic charmer and he had cast spells over it. The salve brought rapid relief. It acted as a fetish rather than a medicine. After this treatment however, the wife of the minister broke her arm. Her daughter also, whose Christian life had until then been continually growing, now found faith and prayer impossible.

(https://carolynandloren.com/resources-ecw/book/section-two-common-motivators/iv-spiritual-manifestations-signs-and-wonders/#spell-casting)

Do you not see the similarities between what you are attempting to do (find healing of your mind and emotions) and what Kurt Koch described?

In case you don’t, let me break down the similarities for you:

⇒ Point One

1. A man’s knee was injured.
2. Your mind and emotions are injured.

⇒ Point Two

1. In order to heal, the man first invoked the Trinity…
2. In order to heal, you first invoke the Trinity…

⇒ Point Three

1. … then he repeated a magic charm…
2. … then you repeat a magic charm that you call “prayer,” because there is nothing Biblical whatsoever about your prayer, as I have explained and will continue to explain, thus making it like a “magic charm” or an “incantation”…

⇒ Point Four

1. … then he anointed his knee with oil as a symbolic action…
2. … then you invoke the blood of Jesus, which is symbolic …

⇒ Point Five

1. … and finally, he threw kisses at the moon.
2. … and finally, you make a kiss, and although it’s not “at the moon,” it’s “in the air.”

It’s the same thing.

Does this not concern you?

If it doesn’t, it should!

You are practicing witchcraft and claiming that the spirit who is guiding you into these things is the Spirit of God.

Please repent and go back to the properly interpreted and properly applied Word of God!

The Name “Jesus Christ”

Before I address your comments about asking Jesus into your heart, I’d like to address this troubling comment of yours:

“It [asking Jesus into your heart] is Biblical and not dangerous if you are very specific and say Jesus Christ, for He is the only one who goes by the name Jesus Christ…”

Jesus Christ is the only one who goes by that name“..?

Well, I hate to burst your bubble, but that’s not true.

At all.

You may believe it to be true, but you are wrong.

I have two points here:

1. Aside from my own personal experiences that prove you to be wrong (and other people’s personal experiences that prove you to be wrong), more importantly, have you not read Scripture? Have you not read the very words of Jesus Christ Himself, Who warned that many false Christs would come in His name?

And what was the solution (Jesus’s solution) for this?

Jesus said: “Do not believe it.” (See Matthew 24:23,26 and Mark 13:21)

2. Furthermore, by saying “asking Jesus into your heart is not dangerous… if”… you have complicated matters, once again.

Here’s something to keep in mind as you go forward in life: God’s way — His solution — doesn’t have dangers or complications. The only true danger comes from NOT following His path.

In regards to His name, it doesn’t matter if you say Jesus or Jesus Christ; Christ Jesus or Yeshua; Hesukristo (Filipino for “Jesus Christ”) or Chúa (Vietnamese for “Jesus”). The point is that you call on His name! Not on whether you say His name (Jesus) followed by His title (Christ).

Do you not think that Jesus doesn’t know when you are calling on His name?

Do you think the Father is confused if you are calling on His Son’s name without adding on the title “Christ”?

Do you think that the power of His authority is diminished or in danger of being subverted by demonic forces if you don’t add the title “Christ”?

Do you think that the demonic are foiled if you say “Jesus Christ” rather than “Jesus”?

Do you really think that the demonic are able to say “Jesus,” or “Christ,” but not the two together?

There is no Scripture to indicate that not using “Christ” when you call on the name of Jesus is dangerous.

Nor is there any Scripture that indicates that using the word “Jesus Christ” (by any translation) gets God’s attention more so than if you only use “Jesus.”

Nor is there any Scripture that indicates that using the name “Jesus” in conjunction with the word “Christ” is a “magical combination” to ward off and confuse demons.

By your method of healing, however, you have been convinced somehow that there is a danger of being fooled by the demonic if you just use the name “Jesus,” but according to you, if you use the name “Jesus Christ,” then there is no danger of being fooled.

What foolishness you’ve been led to believe!

Not only do other people’s experiences prove you to be wrong in your claims, but there is no Biblical basis for your claim whatsoever.

Please line up your beliefs with the Word of God.

Asking Jesus Into Your Heart

And now we get to the “heart” of this article.

(see what I did there… 😉)

You gave me a Scripture to consider from Ephesians, using these verses to defend your belief that salvation is asking Jesus (Jesus Christ) into your heart:

Ephesians 3:14-19 (BSB)

“… for this reason I bow my knees before the Father, from whom every family in heaven and on earth derives its name. I ask that out of the riches of His glory He may strengthen you with power through His Spirit in your inner being, so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith. Then you, being rooted and grounded in love, will have power, together with all the saints, to comprehend the length and width and height and depth of His love, and to know the love of Christ that surpasses knowledge, that you may be filled with all the fullness of God.”

I’ve given serious consideration to these verses, as well as to your objections over my position that asking Jesus into your heart is not a Biblical view of what salvation is.

Now let’s discuss the matter.

Here are some questions to keep in mind:

1. Is asking the person of Jesus to enter into and reside within a spiritual space that you call your heart (or the “heart” of any part of you) a Biblical view of salvation? Is this what the Word of God instructs us to say or do in order to receive salvation?

2. If you are dissociative, does each part of you have to ask Jesus into their hearts in order for you to fully be saved?

The Audience

First, it’s important to note that the above passage in Ephesians 3 is part of the Apostle Paul’s prayer for the church at Ephesus.

The church.

Not the unsaved.

So what’s my point?

The point is: this passage is not speaking of obtaining salvation. The people whom Paul was addressing were already saved.

Second, can you please highlight where, in this passage, Paul instructs us (or anyone) to “ask Jesus into their heart” in order to obtain salvation?

Go ahead. Take your time. This article will still be here after you finish looking for those words.

So, now that you’ve looked over those verses again, did you find where the Apostle Paul was giving instruction to anyone to “ask Jesus into their heart” in order to receive salvation?

No, I didn’t either.

Instead, what I find is that Paul was praying for those who were already saved, and asking the Father that they would be strengthened through His Spirit in their “inner being,” and that “Christ would dwell in their hearts through faith.”

Now, let’s look at a few keys words.

“Inner”

“… through His Spirit in your inner being …”

What does “inner” mean? Is this referring to a literal spiritual space that resides within us wherein we can interact with spiritual beings, as occultists so often do?

Well, let’s look at the actual words and find out for ourselves!

Here’s what “inner” means in (https://biblehub.com/greek/2080.htm):

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“Inner” — Thayer’s Greek Lexicon

As is clear, this is not speaking to a literal spiritual space inside of us, but is speaking of our soul… our conscience.

So stop giving this an occult meaning and application!

“Dwell”

“… Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith …”

Is this Scripture indicating that at any point after salvation, that the person of Jesus Christ literally enters into a spiritual space within our heart?

Well, let’s look at the actual words and find out for ourselves!

Here is what “dwell” means (https://biblehub.com/greek/2730.htm):

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“Dwell” – Strong’s NT 2730
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“Dwell” – Thayer’s Greek Lexicon

Did you catch that?

Metaphorically. Not literally.

And, yes, the spiritual is literal, too — it literally exists. It’s just not physical. But this Scripture is speaking metaphorically. Not literally, whether physical or spiritual.

So stop giving this an occult meaning and application!

“Hearts”

“… Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith …”

What is this “heart” that Scripture is speaking of? What does “heart” mean? Is this speaking of a literal spiritual space wherein Christ (either the person of Christ or Christ as speaking to the Spirit of God) can dwell?

Well, let’s go look at the actual words and find out for ourselves!

Here is what “heart” means (https://biblehub.com/greek/2588.htm):

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“Heart” – Strong’s and HELPS
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“Heart” – Strong’s Exhaustive Concordance
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“Heart” – Thayer’s Greek Lexicon

That last one is a doozy to read! But please, if you will, read it and highlight the part for me where is says that the “heart” can be defined as a literal spiritual space that can literally be inhabited by the Person or the Spirit of God.

I’ll wait for you, so please take your time.

Did you find it?

No, I didn’t either.

See, you are giving an occult definition and application to “heart.”

Here’s an example that you might be able to easily understand: when people say, “She’s always in my heart”, they don’t mean they literally keep a portion of that person’s spirit/soul self in a literal spiritual space within their own spiritual heart. It would be silly and childish to believe that, right? It would be indicative of the individual’s severe lack of critical thinking and reasoning skills.

Of course, the occult-minded individual will believe this to be true in very literal way within the spirit realms. So, they may actually use an occult meaning and application of that idea in order to create an ungodly, demonic, spirit/soul tie between themselves and that person.

But that’s not of God!

… and it’s creepy. 😅

On the other hand, the logical and critical individual understands that this means, “I will remember you because you are special to me and I love you.” Or something along those lines.

Here’s my point: when you give occult meaning and application to Scripture, you are twisting it’s meaning, and its power to heal and deliver you is made void in your life because of the hardness of your heart… the hardness of your understanding.

By giving occult definition and usage to Scripture, you are perverting (changing, twisting) and subverting (overthrowing, corrupting) the simple gospel of Jesus Christ. making it of no effect within your life!

So stop giving the definition of “heart” an occult meaning and application!

What is Salvation?

Simply put, salvation is not obtained by asking Jesus to enter into your heart. This is a doctrine of man that is beginning to be used by “christian” occultists as a way to channel demonic beings. Many well-meaning Christians are being fooled by this. If they would only properly interpret Scripture and line themselves up with His Word, then they wouldn’t be fooled!

So then, what is salvation and how do we obtain salvation?

Well, I’m glad you asked!

😁

Salvation (deliverance, freedom from sin, freedom from the law of sin and death, etc) is only made possible through Jesus Christ.

☛ See:  Ephesians 2:1-10Romans 5:6-11Colossians 2:13-15Hebrews 9:14, 27-28, Matthew 20:28John 10:6-10John 3:1-21

Jesus Christ is the ultimate, final, and only acceptable propitiation for our sin, and is the only way to the Father.

☛ See: Romans 3:25Hebrews 2:171 John 2:21 John 4:10

☛ See: John 14:16, Ephesians 2:18, Romans 5:1-2

Salvation is a gift of God.

☛ See: Romans 3:24Romans 5:15, Romans 6:23,

Salvation is by grace through faith.

☛ See: Acts 15:11, Romans 3:24, Ephesians 2:5, Ephesians 2:8

So how do you obtain this salvation?

It’s simple!

Romans 10:9-10 says (emphasis added):

That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with your heart you believe and are justified, and with your mouth you confess and are saved.

That’s it!

You don’t need a scripted prayer, and salvation is not obtained by asking Jesus to come into your heart.

You simply believe in your heart and confess with your mouth.

If you are dissociative, does this mean that you have to go through all the work of finding each part of you and take them through confessing and believing?

No!

That’s ridiculous! That is a perversion of the simple gospel of Jesus Christ!

Salvation is for your whole person — the entirety of your being. For instance, you don’t “get saved” with 85% of you, and the other 15% is unsaved… That’s not Scriptural!

Romans 10:9-10 does NOT say:

“That if you and every part of you confesses with your mouths, “Jesus is Lord,” and if you and every part of you believes in your hearts that God raised Him from the dead, you and every part of you will be saved. For with your heartyou believe and are justified, and with your mouths you confess and are saved, but if you don’t do it for every part of you, then those parts of you are damned to Hell.”

No! Scripture does not say this. The Bible says: if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.”

There is no caveat. There is no exception.

Now, can there be parts of you who refuse to submit to God? Can there be parts of you who want to do their own thing, follow their own will, go their own way? Can there be parts of you who do not believe in God?

Sure!

I’m sure, too, that non-dissociative people have their own struggles with this, in their own way, as they struggle against their own fleshly desires and their own will, and have to learn, as do us who are dissociative, to surrender (“crucify”) their own will and desires and submit to the Father.

Non-dissociative people struggle with unbelief sometimes, too, and they have to learn to walk by faith, the same as those of us who have dissociative disorders.

So then, what’s the solution? What do you do with the different parts of you who are not surrendering to the work of the Spirit within you?

As the Spirit of God works within you and as He reveals to you those rebellious parts of you, you keep submitting those parts of yourself to the Father. Verbally confess the sin, verbally repent of the sin, and verbally submit every part of yourself to the Father.

But if YOU have believed that God raised Jesus from the dead; and if YOU have confessed that Jesus is Lord; then, YOU are saved! Every part of you!

It’s just a matter of allowing the Spirit of God to work healing in you, and He will! 😊

Conclusion

⇒ According to Scripture, salvation is not obtained by asking either the Person or the Spirit of Jesus Christ to enter into a literal spiritual space within you (what many call “the heart”). Salvation is obtained by “believing” and “confessing,” as clearly and simply explained in Romans 10 (as well as other Scriptures…), and there is no Scripture that tells us that salvation is obtained in different ways for different people (such as with those who are dissociative).

⇒ According to Scripture, the Spirit of God (Holy Spirit, Holy Ghost, Spirit of Christ) dwells within us after salvation.

⇒ According to Scripture, this indwelling is “within” us insomuch that He works His work within us to cause us to be like Christ, bringing His change to our hearts — our mind, our thoughts, our will, our intellect, our understanding, our character, our affections, our emotions, our desires, our appetites, our passions… 

However, if anyone else believes we are in error and has another Scripture for us to consider, please contact us and share those verses with us so we can study out the matter for ourselves, aligning ourselves with the truth of the Word of God.

In the meantime, stop complicating and perverting the simple gospel of Jesus Christ!

~ Loren ❤


1 Corinthians 1:18-25 (BSB)

For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. For it is written:

“I will destroy the wisdom of the wise;
the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate.”

Where is the wise man? Where is the scribe? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? For since in the wisdom of God, the world through its wisdom did not know Him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe.

Jews demand signs and Greeks search for wisdom, but we preach Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.

For the foolishness of God is wiser than man’s wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than man’s strength.


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8 thoughts on “Ephesians 3 and a Biblical View on Healing from D.I.D.

    1. Loren, I believe this material is fantastic. It sounds to me that you are defending the Gospel, and the point you make about God making things simple and Satan making things complicated is right on target. Thank you so much. The material, In understand for most of us is overwhelming, but that’s when we need to break it down, take our time to really study it for ourselves so that it resonates. Also, I wanted to thank you for the information about the spirit and soul, because for many years I embraced that “we are a spirit; we possess a soul, and live in a body.” When I was starving for truth, I searched in a lot of places, and have had to trash about thirty years of teaching mixed with false doctrine, but I thank God for truth, and pray that God will continue to bless you as you are a tremendous blessing to people like me who were raised in a “spirit filled denomination,” passing much disinformation down from generation to generation.

      1. Thanks for your comments, Deborah. 🙂

        I relate to what you say very much! I have found it to be very, very difficult to get free of years and years of brainwashing with so much religious garbage… all the doctrines of men… the doctrines of demons…. It’s hard! And it’s even scary (in my opinion), because it deals with the salvation of my eternal soul! But once you step out in faith and you begin to base your life around the solid rock of the Word of God… it’s so freeing! So, yeah… it’s quite a journey, but praise God for His faithfulness, His mercy, and His grace! ❤

  1. This seems to be pretty heavy stuff for someone who has disociative disorder. I was lost about halfway through. No disrespect, but your writing always seem to come off defensive, like when someone asks a question and gets an answer of a question. I have emailed you for help with my own situation that has gotten worse and confusing without the empathy I had hoped for, and I really believe that I am now bound to someone or something, and in my opinion this person you speak of will not understand the effort of your words put forth in understanding. Again, my opinion. Most people I would guess are emotional when it comes to their salvation or their hope in eternal bliss.

    1. Hi Julie,

      Thanks for your feedback! I do not mean to come across as defensive (I certainly don’t feel that way…! lol), and I will certainly work on that for future articles.

      As far as your email… I’m not sure what it was in my response to you that upset you, and I’m not sure what answer you were expecting from us… but I apologize that my answers weren’t as empathetic as you had expected. But my answer still stands. 🙂 I do not mince words with people when they email us, asking for answers. I don’t tippy-toe around answers. I think that would be dishonest and disrespectful of the serious issues they are facing. I do my best to speak honestly and openly. To speak plainly and simply. And as uncomfortable as it makes me (and others) sometimes, after 43 years of living, I feel that is best.

      If that comes across as unsympathetic, I apologize. I just haven’t figured out a nice way to tell people who are involved in witchcraft that they are involved in witchcraft! I just feel that honesty is the best policy. 🙂

      Thanks again for your feedback. I appreciate you letting me know how you feel. ❤

  2. Very well written indeed. I´ve always considered “asking Jesus into your heart” to be a weasel word, like “making Jesus the lord of your life”. Always makes me question the belief those people have regarding their salvation, and more than often they can´t even explain it themselves in a concrete and condensed way. What a stark contrast to the simple truth found in Romans 10. Anything else tends to cover up a works-based false gospel. Such would include ethical works like reaching a certain amount of behavior modifications or good intentions but as it seems also emotional works like “the Lord demands to come up with and then express a certain amount of positive feelings in my heart today or I´m not saved”. Frankly I´ve never given much thought to the concept of “emotional works” before, I guess because I´m not a woman lol

    1. Because you aren’t a woman…?! LOL! 😂 As a woman (in the U.S., no less), I take a slight offense to your words… but I’ll overlook it because it’s so funny! LOL

      But also… it reminds me of 2 Timothy 3:6… 😥 Haven’t I just recently been there…!? How embarrassing and humbling… But thanks to the Father who delivered me and who continues to deliver me. ❤

      At any rate: you speak the TRUTH. Thank you for sharing your thoughts. 😊

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