Video – Setting the Record Straight: on being “Former Illuminati”

What follows is a recorded conversation between Carolyn Hamlett and Loren Grace.

In order to understand the significance of our message and the implications it has for the present day and for the near future, it’s important for you to know what our background actually is. So, we are doing what we can to set the record straight, once and for all, about what our background is in working within Satan’s spiritual hierarchy.

Some of the things we talk about in this video include:

  • The organization and structure of Lucifer’s (Satan’s) hierarchy
  • World systems
  • Gnostic Christianity
  • Ascended Masters and the Illumined Ones
  • An overview of Carolyn’s background, and her experiences with being a former Illumined One
  • An overview of Loren’s background, and her experiences in working within the governing section of Satan’s hierarchy
  • Astral meetings and ceremonies
  • Programming, conditioning, and astral schools


Link to watch on YouTube: https://youtu.be/0tKqFg7gURo


Carolyn’s Notes

It was around 1986 that I left what I call “the organization,” and the position I had in working within Satan’s spiritual hierarchy.

I desperately wanted to warn people, especially the Christian community, of this huge conspiracy being orchestrated against the peoples of the world by the organization I was born and raised in. However, at that time, most Christians just didn’t have the ability to understand what I was talking about. They had no frame of reference or context to understand, and I knew it would be many years before I would be able to share the most important things and have the message understood.

Some of them, however, were becoming aware of how dangerous occult involvement was. They didn’t always understand what constituted occult involvement, but they did understand that it was dangerous. So I began sharing my testimony by explaining to people that I came from an occult background, from a “gnostic Christian” point of view. I then proceeded to warn about the dangers of occult involvement, about the importance of renouncing past occult involvement, and about walking according to God’s standards.

As a result of Constance Cumbey’s book, “The Hidden Dangers of the Rainbow,” and Texe Marrs’ book, “Dark Secrets of the New Age: Satan’s Plan for a One-World Religion,”1 Christians started to become more familiar with the idea of the “New Age movement” as well as the “New World Order,” but it was clear to me that not many understood that they were both part of the same plan of Satan. For instance, many thought that the “New Age Movement” was Satan’s plan… but trying to explain that it was just a small part of Satan’s plan was difficult.

So, while it became easier in many aspects to share my testimony and for people to begin to understand a bit more about my background, people started expecting there to be a name to describe where I had come from. I kept getting the same types of questions, over and over, asking me what group I came from, what religion I came from, etc… wanting to know a name to describe my background.

My response was that it didn’t have a specific name. I tried explaining that it was a spiritual hierarchy, and that I came from being raised in and working within Satan’s “inner circle”, alongside some of the highest ranking fallen angels.

This answer was incomprehensible to others. They couldn’t understand it. Although many of them believed that Satan and demons existed, not many understood about the fallen angels, and their understanding was very limited to what they could see or experiences with their own physical senses. It seemed to be unbelievable to them that humans and the demonic could interact in such a way that an individual like myself had come from working directly with them.

I realized that it was going to be impossible for people to understand my testimony unless I had a name to give them that would describe what I came from. And since Satan’s spiritual hierarchy was huge and his plan was so well organized, I started calling it “The Organization.”

This name seemed to satisfy people.

Around 2004, I started reaching a wider audience by sharing my testimony on internet forums. By that time, people had begun to understand more about “secret societies” and about conspiracies to bring about a “New World Order,” and the word “Illuminati” had started to become more common. I thought at that point, people might have been ready to understand that the Illuminati was just a small piece of the larger picture. I thought people would have been able to understand that Satan’s plan encompassed more than just the NWO; that the Illuminati was but one of many smaller organizations within Satan’s hierarchy; and that Satan has created and used many smaller organizations to further his overall plan.

Seeing the opportunity to share my testimony with an even larger audience who would likely be able to finally understand my warnings of Satan’s plan, I contacted several others who I thought would be interested in the information, including some radio show hosts, letting them know that I had come from a place of having personal experience in working inside Satan’s organization…. from a position that was higher than the Illuminati… from within Satan’s inner circle that oversaw the smaller organizations within Satan’s larger organization.

But in spite of doing several radio interviews where I was able to share some of my information, most people still didn’t understand. Instead, regardless of my efforts to explain what I had experienced while working within Satan’s spiritual hierarchy, people started incorrectly labeling me as “former Illuminati”, and have continued to label me as “former Illuminati”, even though I have continued to state otherwise.

The time has now come when it is absolutely necessary that I set the record straight once and for all about my background… because, in order to understand the significance of my message and the implications it has for the present day… and the near future… it’s important to know what my background actually is!

So, regardless of the terms that others have used to try to describe my past experiences in working with Satan’s hierarchy… I am NOT former Illuminati.

Instead, I worked at the top of Satan’s spiritual hierarchy in Satan’s “inner circle” — a group that is comprised of high-ranking fallen angels, as well as certain chosen humans, who call themselves “The Illumined Ones.”

This is the group which is the Seat of Authority which holds dominion; it’s the governing group which runs, directs and oversees the entire workings of the entire plan of Satan. 

This is the group in which I used to work.

NOT the Illuminati.

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Links to Read More About Carolyn’s Testimony:

  • “The Spiritual Hierarchy: Structure and Purpose” (May 2008)

http://beyondthephysical.blogspot.com/2008/05/spiritual-hierarchy-structure-and.html

  • “The Plan”, The Organization…What Is It ?” (August 2017)

http://beyondthephysical.blogspot.com/2017/08/the-plan-organizationwhat-is-it.html

Loren’s Notes

⇒ Please Note: by sharing my opinion and experiences, I am not trying to take away from anyone’s legitimate testimony. I am simply sharing my opinion based on my experiences.

Correction: when I mentioned George Bush, I meant George H. W. Bush, not George W. Bush.


I’ve already written a lot about my background, so I don’t have much to add here. To read what I’ve already written, see:

https://lorengrace.com/snapshots-memory-album/snapshot-3-labeling-loren/

But just to quickly recap, here are my notes that go with the above video.

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Assuming I have been told the truth about my ancestry, then I am descended from a particular bloodline that is considered to be part of the “Illuminati bloodlines.” However, I never heard ANYONE use that term, nor was it alluded to. Certain members of my family, including my mother, consider/ed themselves to be “enlightened,” and they may have used the term “illumined.” But being “illumined” and being “Illuminati” are NOT the same thing.

So, no, I am NOT a “former Illuminati member.”

Aside from the fact that I never heard anyone either in the physical or in the supernatural call themselves “Illuminati,” there are two main reasons why I say this:

1. First, if members of the Illuminati are comprised of people who are descended from particular bloodlines, as is generally considered to be true by many, then the phrase “former Illuminati” is a misnomer that doesn’t actually apply to anyone, since it’s impossible for anyone to change the family (the bloodlines) they were born into, thus proving that “former Illuminati” is a meaningless phrase that is by and large being used for sensational purposes.

Therefore, since I can’t change my bloodlines, and since I can’t change the family I was born into, then I can’t possibly be “former” Illuminati.

2. But secondly and more importantly… just because someone is born into a bloodline family, does not mean that they work for or inside any “Illuminati” organization that may currently exist within Satan’s hierarchy.

Assuming this to be true is like saying that every American with Italian bloodlines works in the Italian-American mafia.

Obviously, this would not be a true statement.

It’s the same with what people call the bloodlines of the Illuminati: just because someone is born (or adopted) into what are generally considered to be “Illuminati bloodlines,” does not mean that individual works inside the hierarchy of the Illuminati organization.

So, the second reason why I am not “former Illuminati,” is because I did not work within the smaller hierarchy of the Illuminati organization, assuming one exists.

I felt that there was an expectation to work within the spiritual hierarchy (not in the physical, but in the spiritual) of the organization of the bloodlines that I was born into, but I did not. I was pulled out of that smaller bloodline organization, and I worked higher up, within the governing section of Satan’s hierarchy, alongside some of the top-ranking fallen angels, known by some as “Ascended Masters,” “Galactic Masters,” or “Illumined Ones,” as well as other names they go by.

But in spite of this, I was raised to have a cover of “Christian.” So when speaking of my past occult involvement, I generally refer to myself more simply as being “former Luciferian,” or a “former charismatic occultist.”


1 Stating the name of these authors and their books is not meant to be a blanket endorsement of any of their respective materials; nor is it an endorsement of their websites, business, or ministries; nor is it an endorsement of their character. 


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17 thoughts on “Video – Setting the Record Straight: on being “Former Illuminati”

  1. I’m a mk ultra survivor born 1966 in DC. My great great grandfather was ran out Bavaria Germany back 1868. His son Carl Henry Lindner my great grandfathers older brother sold out and his son I believe or him teamed up with the Bushes. They did rituals on me. I was ran outta of the us 3 years ago. I have seen the tribulation in recall dreams. Do you think its soon ariving?

    1. I have three thoughts:

      1. First, the Heavenly Father is in control of the timeline, not the demonic. Worrying about (or wondering) when things are going to happen won’t change the timeline, so it’s not something I worry about any longer.
      2. The demonic expected to already have their world leader in place by now, but obviously that hasn’t happened. (Again… God is in control of the timeline, not them… but they don’t seem to get that…) That seems to be the major hurdle for them right now.
      3. Keep your eyes on the Father, not on the timeline. 🙂 Things will unfold the way they will unfold, and you won’t be able to change a thing by worrying about it.

      Blessings! <3

    1. Thank you, Chuck, I very much appreciate you taking the time to comment and with the well wishes! 🙂 Your comment that it’s good to see me really makes me smile and warms my heart. 🙂 Thank you! I am finally feeling much better and getting more energy. I’m happy and I’m looking forward to making the most of the precious time I have left here on this earth no matter how short or long it may be. Life seems even more precious to me now after going though what I have over the last couple of years. It puts things in a different perspective…which I am thankful for. May God Bless you, Chuck!

      Carolyn

  2. In your experience, do you believe the fallen angels you dealt with are the same entities as the “sons of God” that God put over the nations in Psalm 82?

    1: “God has taken his place in the divine council;
    in the midst of the gods he holds judgment:” – ESV

    [Link Redacted by Admin]

    1. That’s kind of a trick question, because it’s based on the assumption that Psalm 82 is, in fact, talking about the angels. But I don’t believe Psalm 82 is talking about angels. I could be wrong, of course, and I’m open to correction, but that is just what I believe at this time. Assuming that Psalm 82 IS referencing angels, however, then I STILL can’t be for sure if the ones I dealt with are the same ones that are being referenced by those verses. I suppose it would be very sensational and exciting were I to say that they were the same ones… but I can’t say that they were. I have no idea.

      Carolyn might have a different opinion, but that is mine.

      I doesn’t really matter one way or the other, though, and to be honest, I try to not think about them too much. It’s upsetting to me in ways that are difficult to adequately express, and I don’t suppose many people can understand that unless they’ve had interactions with them. My life would have been much better had I never had contact with them, so I try to not think about them overly much.

      1. [Name Redacted by Admin] is a biblical scholar who’s done some amazing studies into the counsel of elohim which started when he was introduced to the supposed anomaly of Psalm 82 then discovering it was consistent throughout the old and New Testament. His examination of peer reviewed studies has helped make sense of several confusing and misunderstood passages in the Bible. I may not agree with everything he supposes but he never puts himself forward as a know it all. Foundationally he is biblically solid, (IMO).

        Sincerely,
        Klara

        1. Hi Klara,

          I redacted the name of the individual you mentioned. Neither Carolyn nor I endorse his teachings for reasons that are too complicated to really get into at this point, but I do have a few thoughts that can give a relatively quick explanation.

          First, there are bible scholars — all who claim to know the truth, of course, and all who claim to be experts in Hebrew and whatnot — who disagree on what Psalm 82 actually means. So, who is telling the truth? They can’t all be telling the truth! What it eventually boils down to is that people choose to believe one individual over the other.

          Second, it has been my personal observation and personal experiences that seeking after the sensational and spectacular, no matter whether it is “truth” or not (see point one), will eventually lead to destruction. The subject of “elohim,” including the esoteric (hidden) meanings behind Psalm 82, is one such example of people chasing after what they believe to be truth, and end up going down a path that leads them away from the gospel of Jesus Christ, and into studying doctrines of demons.

          Third, the “true” meaning (according to whatever scholar you choose to believe) behind Psalm 82 does not matter, in the grand scheme of things! Many people will disagree with this statement, and will continue to study after such matters because they think it matters. Those individuals should do what they believe to be best. But here’s what I’ve noticed and experienced for myself: people have the tendency to focus on the wrong things, and end up going down a path that leads to the demonic, and not a path that leads to the Father. This is one of the plans of Satan…!! To get people focused on the supernatural and the spectacular… and whether those things are true or not, is irrelevant! Because what happens is that it gets people focused on things that eventually lead them away from God.

          So whether Psalm 82 is speaking of angels (fallen or otherwise) or not, is irrelevant. I know that it’s exciting to study and think about and wonder about and speculate about this or that (because no one can ever be SURE… most everything is speculation and opinion and assumption). Sure, it’s exciting! There’s no doubt! But please heed this warning: what studying such things leads to is a focus on the esoteric rather than on the gospel of Jesus Christ. I am sure this will be offensive to avid followers of the individual you named as well as others like him, but I’m not trying to be offensive. I’m trying to WARN people away from a path that I used to follow… a path that is leading AWAY from the simple gospel of Jesus Christ.

          Lastly, please consider these verses:

          Colossians 2:18-19 “Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you with speculation about what he has seen. Such a man is puffed up without basis by his unspiritual mind, and he loses connection to the head, from whom the whole body, supported and knit together by its joints and ligaments, grows as God causes it to grow.”

          Please don’t misunderstand me. I’m not accusing the man you mentioned as “worshiping angels.” I don’t know him well enough to say one way or the other. But what I am stating as fact from personal experiences and observations, is that such teachings are causing people to begin following after angels, and into seeking after esoteric, occult doctrines.

          Please… I implore you to stick with the simple gospel of Jesus Christ, and don’t bother with speculations of angels. Following after such things will lead you down a path that is not of God.

          Blessings! <3

  3. Is there someone you may know of whom I could talk to for help about the memories I’m starting to piece together, please?

    Sincerely,
    Klara

    1. Hi Klara,

      There is no one that we personally recommend, I’m sorry. To find a therapist in your area, you can go here to search: https://www.befrienders.org/directory.

      In our book, Carolyn and I wrote about some things that have been helpful to us. You can read about them beginning in Section Four. (https://carolynandloren.com/resources-ecw/book/section-four-important-helps/)

      If you just want to talk about it, you are more than welcome to contact us. I can’t help with anything, but sometimes having someone to sort of “bounce things off of,” so to speak, can be helpful in and of itself. https://carolynandloren.com/contact/

      Blessings! <3

  4. I’m with Chuck 😊 So good to see you and hear from you!! I think of you now and then and hoped youve been doing ok.. 😊💛 Both Loren and yourself are looking great, lovely to see 💗 I’ve only just started watching your new clip but just had to say hi and thanks 😊 I appreciate what you both do, the effect you make and love you for it 😊💖

    1. Hi Amy, Thank you for your sweet comment. 🙂 I feel very encouraged by your kind words! Thank you! 🙂

  5. Just wanted to say I support you with my love heart and prayer. Jesus bless you. I was very distraught when I heard about the cancer. Really glad to hear you are better. I pray as much as I can for your health and strength in these last days. I 100% agree with focusing on God as much as possible.

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