Tolerance is Not a Fruit of the Spirit


As you probably already know, we have set up a “Testimonials” page for people to share their testimonies of how the Father has delivered them from false teachers, false prophets, harmful ministries, and from false (satanic) doctrine. We recently added a little something to this page, however, that you may not have noticed. Directly preceding the contact form, we added this statement:

“Tolerance” is not a fruit of the Spirit of God. If you still have any connections whatsoever with Bride Ministries (including being associated with people who are associated to people in BM), you are showing yourself to be tolerant of workers of darkness who are masquerading as workers of light, and we will not involve ourselves in helping you share your testimony. If we share your testimony and find out later that you are still associated with Bride Ministries in any capacity whatsoever, we will take your testimony down from our page. We have learned from experience that, unfortunately, to open our doors to even speak to those who have connections to workers of darkness, is opening ourselves up to unnecessary attack by both the demonic and humans in the astral. Please read and understand: Ephesians 5:11Titus 3:10Romans 16:172 John 1:7-111 Corinthians 52 Corinthians 6:14-18, and others.

This short article is to give a little further explanation as to what we mean.

Learning From Past Mistakes

While we have come across powerful testimonies by some people who have gone through horrific things at the hands of false ministers who falsely claim to be working for the Kingdom of God, there is a little something called “discernment.” And a little something called “learning from one’s mistakes.” And a little something called “not returning to one’s own vomit.”

The Bible puts it this way:

2 Peter 2:20-22 (BSB)

If indeed they have escaped the corruption of the world through their knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, only to be entangled and overcome by it again, their final condition is worse than it was at first.

It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness than to have known it and turned away from the holy commandment passed on to them.

Of them the proverbs are true: “A dog returns to its vomit,” and, “A sow that is washed goes back to her wallowing in the mud.”

Proverbs 26:11 (NLT)

As a dog returns to its vomit, so a fool repeats his foolishness.

So, if someone suffers because of false ministers and the satanic doctrine that they are spreading; and if they suffer at the hands of ungodly organizations because of those satanic doctrines that the people involved with such harmful ministries are spreading and promoting; and if they do not completely separate themselves from the people who are spreading and teaching those doctrines of demons, as well as separate themselves from the actual false, unbiblical, satanic doctrine itself; then they are likely to fall right back into the same satanic trap, all over again, without even realizing it, because they have no discernment. They are, as the Bible puts it, “returning back to their own vomit,” by repeating their same foolishness.

Therefore, we will not share the testimonies of people who:

a.) have refused to separate themselves from the people who are involved in such ungodly ministries, from people who are still spreading and promoting the same satanic doctrines, and from the people who are still involved in the same occult practices;

b.) and/or have refused to separate themselves from the actual ungodly doctrines of demons.

We simply won’t be a part of the unhealthy and foolish cycle that unhealthy and foolish people partake in, by placing ourselves in the midst of becoming involved with people who are wishy-washy, wanting to share the testimony of how God delivered them from satanic doctrines one moment, and the next, cozying up with the people who are spreading and promoting and practicing the very doctrines of demons that they claim God delivered them from!

We’ve made the mistake of doing that before, and we won’t make the same mistake again.

Scriptures for Study

You can follow the links provided and study what each of the words mean in context within each verse.

Titus 3:9-11 (

“But avoid foolish controversies, genealogies, arguments, and quarrels about the Law, because these things are pointless and worthless. Reject a divisive man after a first and second admonition, knowing that such a man is corrupt and sinful; he is self-condemned.”

● 2 John 1:7-11 (

“For many deceivers have gone out into the world, refusing to confess the coming of Jesus Christ in the flesh. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist. Watch yourselves, so that you do not lose what we have worked for, that you may be fully rewarded. Anyone who runs ahead without remaining in the teaching of Christ does not have God. Whoever remains in His teaching has both the Father and the Son.”

If anyone comes to you but does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your home or even greet him. Whoever greets such a person shares in his evil deeds.

● 1 Corinthians 5:9-13 (

“I wrote you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people. I was not including the sexually immoral of this world, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. But now I am writing you not to associate with anyone who claims to be a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a verbal abuser, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat.

What business of mine is it to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked man from among you.””

● Ephesians 5:11 (

“Have no fellowship with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them.”

● 1 John 1:6-7 (

“If we say we have fellowship with Him yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth. But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin.”

● 2 Corinthians 6:14-18 (

Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership can righteousness have with wickedness? Or what fellowship does light have with darkness? What harmony is there between Christ and Belial? Or what does a believer have in common with an unbeliever? What agreement can exist between the temple of God and idols? For we are the temple of the living God. As God has said:

“I will live with them
and walk among them,
and I will be their God,
and they will be My people.”

“Therefore come out from among them
and be separate, says the Lord.
Touch no unclean thing,
and I will receive you.”


“I will be a Father to you,
and you will be My sons and daughters,
says the Lord Almighty.”

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Update: a Message to Those Who Interact With Us on Social Media

The principles we wrote about in this blog post apply in every single situation that has to do with BM (Bride Ministries) and with those who are connected to that ungodly organization. But let’s add something else to the conversation.

The things we write about in our blog articles and the things we wrote about in our book, are written from personal experiences.

In other words, we aren’t just sharing what others have said about their involvement with things that are not of God, although, sharing other people’s testimony as a warning to others and as a testament to the power and the saving grace of God isn’t a bad thing, of course.

But for example, when we talk about how important it is to separate ourselves from those self-professed “Christian” individuals who are practicing and promoting the things of the occult, particularly after having been warned — and even separating ourselves from those who befriend those “Christians” who are unrepentantly practicing the things of the occult — we say this for a very good reason.

The most important reason, of course, is because of what the Word of God says about the subject. And that’s really all the reason one needs, anyway.

But the second reason is because of our experiences.

You see, we learned very early on, after having separated ourselves from BM, that to leave even a single door cracked open to occult/cult groups (specifically those groups who pose as “Christian”), puts us in danger. Not necessarily by being publicly slandered or by receiving nasty or threatening emails, because some of them will do all that anyway, regardless of whether there is a door open or not. And probably not by being attacked in the physical, although that’s always a possibility we are aware of. But we mostly mean by being attacked and/or harassed in the spiritual in various ways, sometimes by the individuals themselves (as well as by the demons that come alongside them), and sometimes solely by those demonic beings who are controlling them.

And these astral attacks can have very real physical consequences.

(In case you don’t know what we mean by all of this, here’s a good place to start reading:…/section-four…/iv-backlash/. And, again, please keep in mind: WE WROTE THIS FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCES! We didn’t research what others have said about the topic, string together a bunch of words related to the topic, and call it a day.)

This has been particularly true because of what we do every day on this website, which is to expose the works of darkness and point the way to The Solution, as written in God’s Word. Simply put, that makes the enemy (the demonic) angry, and they very often use their people — those workers of darkness, whether conscious or unconscious — to attack in whatever way they can.

We don’t say these things to garner pity. God has done amazing things in our lives, in spite of the attacks, and we give Him the glory for it all. But by sharing these things, we’re simply trying to be open and honest so you will hopefully understand where we are coming from when we say that we are vigilant in keeping those doors closed insomuch as we are able, and have refused to associate in any way with those who are connected in any way to BM.

Now, at the time of this update, we have a little less than 2,000 followers on our Facebook (FB) page.

(We aren’t counting Twitter followers, because we do not have a “CarolynandLoren” Twitter account any longer, Loren does not have a personal Twitter, and even though Carolyn has a personal Twitter, she rarely interacts with people on that account, anyway)

So 2,000 isn’t a large number, by any stretch.

Of those 2,000 people, we guesstimate that probably fewer than 10% see our posts, and even fewer engage with those posts. And even though there are a few people who comment on or “like” a post on our FB page, but do not “like” or “follow” our page, it still adds up to a small number of people who interact with us on social media. But even with such a small number of people, it’s impossible for us to know which of you on FB may still be connected to any occult/cult group, in particular BM, in whatever capacity, unless you somehow make it known to us.

So the point of this update is this: if you make your connection with BM known to us on our social media pages in whatever way, whether intentionally or accidentally, we will refuse to interact with you any longer, and will ban you from that page.

This isn’t to be ugly or to be mean or to be hurtful. This isn’t because we are trying to control who you are friends with or control what you do. YOU do what YOU want to do. But WE have made the decision to not be associated with BM, nor to associate with people who befriend those connected to BM, and we are standing by this decision to the degree that we are able.

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16 thoughts on “Tolerance is Not a Fruit of the Spirit

    1. I can relate. I used to feel lonely back several years ago when I stopped attending church. There were a few different reasons why I finally stopped attending, but the main reason I left and never went back is because even back then when I was still blinded by much within myself, I knew God had told me to get out and stay out. So I did. Then through being counseled by Duval, I got involved with the group at BM, and it ended up being even worse than what I came out of. Now that I have separated myself again, I’m not lonely at all. I’d rather have the peace and joy of the Spirit that comes from doing the will of my Father, than fellowship with those who are not only backbiting, gossiping, and slandering, but also teaching false doctrine and practicing witchcraft.

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  1. As I was leaving (escaping) Unleavened Bread Ministries, shaking the dust off my sandals, I had one last conversation with the woman who ‘handled the money’ and who therefore knew the inner workings. She had already confessed to me that she got nothing from the ministry, could no longer listen to the leader’s sermons and felt she had lost her gift. I told her she needed to quit. She replied with defeat in her voice, “What else do I do for God?”

    I was so stunned I had no response for her. I think, in retrospect, she was afraid of being cursed, which was/is a standard fear technique of the leader, or perhaps it was an issue of knowing too much. Either way, I never spoke to her again and have often wondered what happened to her.

    Another woman gave me her excuse for staying in touch with people associated with the ministry that they were her ‘friends’. I’m not gifted at debate. When I see that an argument is either CYA or imbedded excuse, I have to leave a person with it and move on. Last I heard, she was still involved and contributing to the delusion so I conclude that we all make our choices and then reap the rewards or the consequences.

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    1. Thanks for sharing that. It’s so easy to see this “cult mentality” that grabs ahold of people, but for some people, it’s so hard to break free from that.

      In Bride Ministries, Carolyn and I have noticed that for some, this bond goes very, very deep, and they have a “trauma bond” with their “coach” the same exact way that a victim of mind-control programming has a “trauma bond” with their programmer. (We wrote about this in our book, too.) Therefore, it’s hard to let that go, unless they give it to the Father and allow Him to heal them of that trauma bond. And we understand that. But if someone still has this trauma bond, then they need healing. And Carolyn and I can’t heal them. Only the Father can. They also could probably also use some actual REAL counseling to help them process through the trauma they have just been through, but Carolyn and I aren’t counselors, either, so we can’t help people process through their issues. We’ve already tried with a couple of people, and it has come back to bite us in the rear-end, as now we, especially Carolyn, are being accused of trying to “turn people against Duval and BM,” as if it’s somehow an evil thing to try to explain to hurt and confused people who come to us, WHY they are being hurt and confused. And as if it’s such an evil thing to try to encourage them to get away from the false doctrine and to start focusing on a REAL relationship with the Father, and to start studying the Word of God and giving the words the proper interpretation within context, and not an esoteric interpretation….

      But since the accuser (Satan) is working through them, it’s no surprise that we are being accused of these things. And since that occult group is operating as a cult group, too, then their reactions and false accusations aren’t any surprise either. It’s very typical of cult groups.

      But separating myself has been a process in and of itself. I had one individual there whom I considered to be a friend. But since she has refused to separate herself from the people that are still there, and has continually defended her “DID coach” that worked there, and by proxy has defended his “spirit man” techniques (that are absolutely witchcraft and programming), I have had to completely separate myself from her. And now, we will not have any conversation with or share the testimonies of people if we find out that they are friends with people who are friends with those in BM. I know that from other people’s perspectives who don’t know the inner workings of that group, that this policy Carolyn and I have may seem harsh. But it is a biblical principle, and it’s also for our own safety and spiritual health. Over the past couple of years of enduring attack after attack from those people as they send curses our way, send their demons to attack us, and even attack us themselves from the astral at times, we have found that if WE leave a door open in any way (even innocently), that creates a spiritual connection between ourselves and them, then when we are attacked, we have no peace, we have no joy, and the grace of God isn’t there. However, when we are attacked through no fault of our own, the grace of God is there, and the attacks aren’t as effective.

      So people who claim to have left BM, yet are still friends with those in BM, are either trying to play both sides and stir up trouble for us, or they are completely ignorant of the seriousness of the situation, and have failed to understand how dangerous those people are with their witchcraft that they call “spiritual warfare.” Either way, we get the brunt of the attacks, and we aren’t going to do it anymore. If we get attacked because we are doing the will of the Father, then it is His will that we be attacked, and He will help us endure and come out better in the end for it. But if we get attacked because we leave an open door, however, it only causes us unnecessary pain and stress.

      And… GAH!! I’ve written a novel to you again. lol 😀 I can tell that you “GET IT,” so it’s easy for me to keep blabbing on and on when conversing with you. Sorry for the length, and thanks again for sharing your thoughts. You confirm that even though it may be harsh and it may be sad, the truth is: WE MUST SEPARATE OURSELVES COMPLETELY from cult (and occult) groups.

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      1. You can write as much as you like, my dear. There is hardly a way to describe the flush of affirmation to find others, even if only a few, who really do understand. I look at this age as representing the Great Delusion. Sometimes I feel as though I am in a nightmare I cannot wake up from. I beat myself up for a long time, ashamed that I had been so deluted, and even after I started to wake up and asked tough questions, I remained for awhile out of nothing more than self-serving. Though it did take awhile I finally came to accept that my experience was like earning a degree in discernment. I see so clearly, I can ferret out a self-righteous liar on any level, whether religious or secular. So, I guess, my bad choice God turned for something good, once my eyes were open and I repented for having been such a moron!

        I’ve said this a million times, but I live by this – if you stand in the light of Christ, satan not only can’t see you, his weapons against you are worthless.


        1. Well, my own experience (and what I’ve seen around the world both presently as well as historically as Satan comes against God’s people) has me disagreeing with much of your last statement. But I still appreciate you sharing your thoughts. ❤

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          1. I can agree and attest that satan has been working overtime to try to destroy me and mine, but…and here’s the point…so long as I choose to believe that God will only allow what fulfills His will in my life, then nothing satan can do can truly get to me. At this stage of my having to live without ever taking off my armor, I feel a strange peaceful sense of empowerment knowing this. I reason that if satan is coming against me, I must be doing something right!

            Perhaps it could be better phrased – if we are standing in the light of Christ, satan has no power to destroy us. 🙂 No matter what my circumstances look like to the world, I trust that God has it and there’s usually a reason for everything. We aren’t promised zero troubles, but we can count on peace and joy even in the storm.

            I find my prayer life gets so much simpler as I have aged, both physically and spiritually. On occasion I will have specific petitions, but mostly I pray, first gratitude, praise and thanksgiving, then for deliverance from evil and, of late, I pray for mercy from tragedy. The troubles, tribulations and crisis that come from living in this reprobated world, I can face in stride because I trust that God has me and mine 100%.

            If what I have experienced can be a beacon for others or even a single one, to guide them away from and out of apostasy, I understand that to be God taking what was meant for evil and turning it for good. I see that both you and Carolyn are following that path and I applaud and encourage your willingness to stand against evil.


  2. Just wondering how far you recommend seperaring from people associated with false doctrine, I feel like taking it to an extreme there would be next to no one to fellowship with. For example I have a friend who while she’s never been there thinks bethel church / bill Johnston is great she reads his stuff etc I’ve told here it’s really bad but she won’t believe me .I also have other friends in a charismatic church associated with new frontiers church not the worst and nothing to the extent of heresy at bride ministry but still kinda sketchy. Even my own church Taught in a sermon hearing gods voice by listening to “still small voice” and recommend a book by a guy that teachers contemplative prayer which is very dangeauous I went to talk to my pastor he doesn’t get how it can be dangerous and confusing and said that it wasn’t contemplative prayer that he was teaching because the author is so sneaky I forget his name… also the ladies were doing a bible study by Beth Moore who I think is another wolf teaching contemplative prayer and other things I think are wrong and my pastor basically said it was fine he trust that the ladies will be able to spit out the bones from the meat so to speak, which I don’t think is acceptable, Sorry for my ranting .its getting frustrating trying to wake people up to all the deception and they just don’t get it, I’m feeling quite alone oh and I have people I know that are in ywam which I feel is cult like and so I’m thinking should I tell them even tho I don’t know them well or just drop it, im getting stressed out with everything . I guess it’s not my responsibility to fix everything have to leave it in Gods hands . God bless you for the work you do. Thanks


    1. Our recommendation is to go the Word of God for guidance on how to handle each situation in your own life, and ask the Heavenly Father for the strength to be obedient to His Word, no matter what the cost. In this article, we gave some Scripture to get you started on your study.

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  3. I think some decisions are made based on our personality types. Extroverts find it much more difficult to walk away from associations and feel much more isolated when ties are severed. I am an introvert by nature so it’s a tad easier for me to say, “I am not a good fit with this person or that group.” I blame it on myself because I can’t compromise. But if I am in a situation where I can’t contribute to the conversation because it would be completely counter to the stream of consciousness, I’d rather not be involved at all instead of feeling silenced because I can’t go along to get along.

    One stand out skill I’ve gained is testing the concept that a friend is not just someone you can talk to but someone you can relate to, confide in and trust.


  4. This is a great topic. Thanks for presenting it in such a clear manner. I have often wondered about this in the past; wondered about where does one draw the line regarding peace vs being taken advantage of. I appreciate you both (Carolyn, Loren) taking the the time to conscientiously address this, and finding the actual written word in scripture to clarify, and then sharing that with others. It’s truly priceless.

    I can see how discernment would play an important role in most effectively applying this concept. I find this information to have powerful potential moving forward in the increasingly chaotic world we live in. I feel very fortunate learning these things, thank you both for doing this and praise our Heavenly Father for sending his Son our Lord Jesus Christ the Anointed One to guide us.

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