As you probably already know, we have set up a “Testimonials” page for people to share their testimonies of how the Father has delivered them from false teachers, false prophets, harmful ministries, and from false (satanic) doctrine. We recently added a little something to this page, however, that you may not have noticed. Directly preceding the contact form, we added this statement:
“Tolerance” is not a fruit of the Spirit of God. If you still have any connections whatsoever with Bride Ministries (including being associated with people who are associated to people in BM), you are showing yourself to be tolerant of workers of darkness who are masquerading as workers of light, and we will not involve ourselves in helping you share your testimony. If we share your testimony and find out later that you are still associated with Bride Ministries in any capacity whatsoever, we will take your testimony down from our page. We have learned from experience that, unfortunately, to open our doors to even speak to those who have connections to workers of darkness, is opening ourselves up to unnecessary attack by both the demonic and humans in the astral. Please read and understand: Ephesians 5:11, Titus 3:10, Romans 16:17, 2 John 1:7-11, 1 Corinthians 5, 2 Corinthians 6:14-18, and others.
This short article is to give a little further explanation as to what we mean.
Learning From Past Mistakes
While we have come across powerful testimonies by some people who have gone through horrific things at the hands of false ministers who falsely claim to be working for the Kingdom of God, there is a little something called “discernment.” And a little something called “learning from one’s mistakes.” And a little something called “not returning to one’s own vomit.”
The Bible puts it this way:
2 Peter 2:20-22 (BSB)
If indeed they have escaped the corruption of the world through their knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, only to be entangled and overcome by it again, their final condition is worse than it was at first.
It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness than to have known it and turned away from the holy commandment passed on to them.
Of them the proverbs are true: “A dog returns to its vomit,” and, “A sow that is washed goes back to her wallowing in the mud.”
Proverbs 26:11 (NLT)
As a dog returns to its vomit, so a fool repeats his foolishness.
So, if someone suffers because of false ministers and the satanic doctrine that they are spreading; and if they suffer at the hands of ungodly organizations because of those satanic doctrines that the people involved with such harmful ministries are spreading and promoting; and if they do not completely separate themselves from the people who are spreading and teaching those doctrines of demons, as well as separate themselves from the actual false, unbiblical, satanic doctrine itself; then they are likely to fall right back into the same satanic trap, all over again, without even realizing it, because they have no discernment. They are, as the Bible puts it, “returning back to their own vomit,” by repeating their same foolishness.
Therefore, we will not share the testimonies of people who:
a.) have refused to separate themselves from the people who are involved in such ungodly ministries, from people who are still spreading and promoting the same satanic doctrines, and from the people who are still involved in the same occult practices;
b.) and/or have refused to separate themselves from the actual ungodly doctrines of demons.
We simply won’t be a part of the unhealthy and foolish cycle that unhealthy and foolish people partake in, by placing ourselves in the midst of becoming involved with people who are wishy-washy, wanting to share the testimony of how God delivered them from satanic doctrines one moment, and the next, cozying up with the people who are spreading and promoting and practicing the very doctrines of demons that they claim God delivered them from!
We’ve made the mistake of doing that before, and we won’t make the same mistake again.
Scriptures for Study
You can follow the links provided and study what each of the words mean in context within each verse.
● Titus 3:9-11 (http://biblehub.com/bsb/titus/3.htm)
“But avoid foolish controversies, genealogies, arguments, and quarrels about the Law, because these things are pointless and worthless. Reject a divisive man after a first and second admonition, knowing that such a man is corrupt and sinful; he is self-condemned.”
● 2 John 1:7-11 (http://biblehub.com/bsb/2_john/1.htm)
“For many deceivers have gone out into the world, refusing to confess the coming of Jesus Christ in the flesh. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist. Watch yourselves, so that you do not lose what we have worked for, that you may be fully rewarded. Anyone who runs ahead without remaining in the teaching of Christ does not have God. Whoever remains in His teaching has both the Father and the Son.”
If anyone comes to you but does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your home or even greet him. Whoever greets such a person shares in his evil deeds.
● 1 Corinthians 5:9-13 (http://biblehub.com/bsb/1_corinthians/5.htm)
“I wrote you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people. I was not including the sexually immoral of this world, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. But now I am writing you not to associate with anyone who claims to be a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a verbal abuser, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat.
What business of mine is it to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked man from among you.””
● Ephesians 5:11 (http://biblehub.com/ephesians/5-11.htm)
“Have no fellowship with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them.”
● 1 John 1:6-7 (http://biblehub.com/bsb/1_john/1.htm)
“If we say we have fellowship with Him yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth. But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin.”
● 2 Corinthians 6:14-18 (http://biblehub.com/bsb/2_corinthians/6.htm)
Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership can righteousness have with wickedness? Or what fellowship does light have with darkness? What harmony is there between Christ and Belial? Or what does a believer have in common with an unbeliever? What agreement can exist between the temple of God and idols? For we are the temple of the living God. As God has said:
“I will live with them
and walk among them,
and I will be their God,
and they will be My people.”
“Therefore come out from among them
and be separate, says the Lord.
Touch no unclean thing,
and I will receive you.”
“I will be a Father to you,
and you will be My sons and daughters,
says the Lord Almighty.”
Update: a Message to Those Who Interact With Us on Social Media
The principles we wrote about in this blog post apply in every single situation that has to do with BM (Bride Ministries) and with those who are connected to that ungodly organization. But let’s add something else to the conversation.
The things we write about in our blog articles and the things we wrote about in our book, are written from personal experiences.
In other words, we aren’t just sharing what others have said about their involvement with things that are not of God, although, sharing other people’s testimony as a warning to others and as a testament to the power and the saving grace of God isn’t a bad thing, of course.
But for example, when we talk about how important it is to separate ourselves from those self-professed “Christian” individuals who are practicing and promoting the things of the occult, particularly after having been warned — and even separating ourselves from those who befriend those “Christians” who are unrepentantly practicing the things of the occult — we say this for a very good reason.
The most important reason, of course, is because of what the Word of God says about the subject. And that’s really all the reason one needs, anyway.
But the second reason is because of our experiences.
You see, we learned very early on, after having separated ourselves from BM, that to leave even a single door cracked open to occult/cult groups (specifically those groups who pose as “Christian”), puts us in danger. Not necessarily by being publicly slandered or by receiving nasty or threatening emails, because some of them will do all that anyway, regardless of whether there is a door open or not. And probably not by being attacked in the physical, although that’s always a possibility we are aware of. But we mostly mean by being attacked and/or harassed in the spiritual in various ways, sometimes by the individuals themselves (as well as by the demons that come alongside them), and sometimes solely by those demonic beings who are controlling them.
And these astral attacks can have very real physical consequences.
(In case you don’t know what we mean by all of this, here’s a good place to start reading: https://carolynandloren.com/…/section-four…/iv-backlash/. And, again, please keep in mind: WE WROTE THIS FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCES! We didn’t research what others have said about the topic, string together a bunch of words related to the topic, and call it a day.)
This has been particularly true because of what we do every day on this website, which is to expose the works of darkness and point the way to The Solution, as written in God’s Word. Simply put, that makes the enemy (the demonic) angry, and they very often use their people — those workers of darkness, whether conscious or unconscious — to attack in whatever way they can.
We don’t say these things to garner pity. God has done amazing things in our lives, in spite of the attacks, and we give Him the glory for it all. But by sharing these things, we’re simply trying to be open and honest so you will hopefully understand where we are coming from when we say that we are vigilant in keeping those doors closed insomuch as we are able, and have refused to associate in any way with those who are connected in any way to BM.
Now, at the time of this update, we have a little less than 2,000 followers on our Facebook (FB) page.
(We aren’t counting Twitter followers, because we do not have a “CarolynandLoren” Twitter account any longer, Loren does not have a personal Twitter, and even though Carolyn has a personal Twitter, she rarely interacts with people on that account, anyway)
So 2,000 isn’t a large number, by any stretch.
Of those 2,000 people, we guesstimate that probably fewer than 10% see our posts, and even fewer engage with those posts. And even though there are a few people who comment on or “like” a post on our FB page, but do not “like” or “follow” our page, it still adds up to a small number of people who interact with us on social media. But even with such a small number of people, it’s impossible for us to know which of you on FB may still be connected to any occult/cult group, in particular BM, in whatever capacity, unless you somehow make it known to us.
So the point of this update is this: if you make your connection with BM known to us on our social media pages in whatever way, whether intentionally or accidentally, we will refuse to interact with you any longer, and will ban you from that page.
This isn’t to be ugly or to be mean or to be hurtful. This isn’t because we are trying to control who you are friends with or control what you do. YOU do what YOU want to do. But WE have made the decision to not be associated with BM, nor to associate with people who befriend those connected to BM, and we are standing by this decision to the degree that we are able.