"Discernment" CarolynandLoren.com

There is a trend within occult circles that has been around for quite some time now, whereby certain people engage in channeling and automatic writing. In other words, they will say they have a “word from Spirit,” or a “word from this angel or that angel,” or a word from “this Ascended Master or that Ascended Master,” or a “proclamation from certain light beings,” and then share it either via spoken word or, quite often, through written word. You can pick up many books by famous (or, infamous…?) occultists and will see evidence of this channeling, as well as the related automatic writing. Furthermore, with the internet widely available across the world now, it’s easy to find many different websites whose contributors write down and share the words from these supposed “divine,” or supernatural, or “light” beings.

But while this trend has always been common in occult circles, it has now become progressively common amongst so-called “Christian circles.” There are an increasing number of people who claim to have a “word from God” or who say, “Jesus Christ gave me these words and I wrote them down or here’s what he said.” Or even, “Spirit told me this thing,” or, “my angel said the other thing,” or “this light being showed me this.”

And you’d think that this would be common sense or common knowledge, but since sense doesn’t seem to be so common anymore, let’s just go ahead and make one thing very clear: God does not give “new revelation,” and the revelation that He has given has already been written in Scripture, and searching for and seeking after occult, esoteric interpretations of Scripture are not “new revelations” from God. If you think otherwise, you are being fooled.

Yes, the Spirit of God can (and does) reveal to us, as Christians, the truth of His Word, if we are allowing Him to work within us, and this can be thought of as “revelation,” but these revelations are not new: they will always be found within and based upon the properly exegeted principles of His written Word, the Bible.

So if you come across self-proclaimed “Christians” who claim to have a “word from God, Jesus, or the Spirit,” (or even light beings or so-called angels) go to Scripture (the Bible) to see if those words are found in the Bible. If they are not, then turn away from those people, don’t listen to them, and shun them completely. They are occult infiltrators, and whether they are consciously infiltrating Christian groups with occult doctrine or unconsciously infiltrating Christian groups with occult doctrine, they do this sort of thing. All. The. Time.

Many of these types of people are easily recognizable, in that they are very “prophecy-minded,” always chasing after the high of hearing a “new fresh word from God.” One of the main problems with this is that people are completely misunderstanding what a “prophet” is within the churches and within Christian groups. We wrote about these types of people in our book, and you can educate yourself by reading it. It’s a free read.

⇒ See: https://askcarolynandloren.wordpress.com/resources-ecw/book/section-two-common-motivators/ii-gifts-and-abilities/#seers-and-prophets

At the very least, these types of people are operating out of their own flesh, filled with pride and puffed up in their own ego. And in many cases (maybe even in all cases, to one extent or another), since the demonic feed off of pride and ego, they are channeling demonic spirits — some who go by the name “Jesus” or “Yeshua” or other translations of the name — who are whispering seductive words, and taking a tiny bit of truth found in Scripture and twisting it around, giving the individual what they consider to be a “deeper and greater” understanding of Scripture.

But either way — whether they are operating simply out of their flesh, or whether they are operating out of the demonic (or, more likely, a combination thereof) — they are most definitely operating out of a spirit of pride, ego, and self-righteousness. And this is one very quick, easy test whereby you can find out if someone is functioning out of the Spirit of God or if they are functioning out of the demonic: if there is pride and ego involved, it is not of God. They may say some things that line up with the Word of God. Maybe even many things! But beware of them, because sooner or later, their pride will cause them to fall. And if you have been following after them (instead of Jesus Christ), and relying on them to tell you what God is saying to you or relying on them to receive “fresh new revelation from God for today” (instead of reading the Word of God for yourself), then you will fall with them.

Furthermore, people who claim that “Jesus Christ” (or the “Spirit,” or “God”) came directly to them and gave them special, new words of revelation or proclamation, then they are essentially putting those words on the same level as Holy Scripture. And if that isn’t pride itself, then we don’t know what is. We wonder if these people who claim to have these “special words of God” realize just how lax they actually are in considering the true responsibility of claiming they are the mouth of God Himself?

But for someone to claim that they have “new revelation” straight from God Himself, or that Jesus Christ Himself came down and spoke these words to them, or someone’s special “angel” came, or a light being descended and gave them words from God… this is something that is extremely dangerous for both the individual who has been deceived by those sweet-sounding words from the demonic, and for the people they fool by those so-called “special words from God or Jesus.”

So one easy way to recognize if people are operating out of the demonic or out of the Spirit of God, is to look at the pride factor. Are they puffed up in pride? Are they operating out of their own ego? Sometimes the pride can be hard to see from people who come across as humble, especially when they are putting on their public façade, but quite often, if you question them on their “words” (Such as: “Where is the Scripture for this? How do you know this is of God?” Or even: “There is no Scripture for what you are saying! This doesn’t line up with the Word of God!”), you are likely to see their pride manifest, and the evil spirits from which they are operating get stirred up, causing them to feel very angry and defensive.

But even if their pride isn’t so obvious, remember this: the very fact that they are claiming to speak for God, or are claiming to have special words from God (so-called “new” revelation), or are claiming that Jesus Christ Himself gave them words to speak or to write down, or that their “personal angel” told them this thing or that thing… this is prideful and egotistical in and of itself! Don’t listen to them! So even if you can’t recognize that it is not of God when people are talking to a “personal angel,” or even if you can’t understand that when these occultists say they are talking to “Jesus Christ,” that they are actually talking to an antichrist, at the least you should be able to recognize pride and ego.

Do you want to know what God is saying to you? GO TO THE WORD OF GOD AND STUDY IT WITHIN CONTEXT!

Which leads to the next point.

The BEST way to recognize people who are operating out of the demonic is to take what they claim to be their “special messages given to them directly from God, Jesus, spirit, angels, or light beings,” and compare it with the actual true written Word of God. The lies that are present in these so-called “words” can sometimes be tiny and obscure and hard to see, but they are there. And once you see the lies and contradictions, it’s like a blaring alarm and a blinding, strobing light that is screaming, “THIS IS NOT OF GOD! THIS IS NOT SCRIPTURE! THIS IS FALSE DOCTRINE! GET AWAY FROM IT!” And really, once you finally see through the web of half-truths and contradictions and find the lies, it’s impossible to not see it again. It actually becomes very easy to see the lies, and your discernment becomes sharper and stronger.

Here are a few examples of how we have used this process of comparing people’s words (or the deceptive words of the demonic who are speaking through such people) with God’s Word:

Build your discernment by lining everything up with the written Word of God that has been properly interpreted within context, and you won’t be fooled by false doctrines from demons who come to you with soothing words and flowery philosophies that lead you slowly and inevitably, one step at a time, straight to destruction.

If you want to know what God says, read the Bible. Don’t listen to the words of man (or woman) who claim to come with words from “god.” Stick with what is true and with what is sound and with what has been proven: stick with the actual written Word of God, and you won’t be led astray.

Carolyn and Loren

Scriptures to Study and Understand

We may do some more follow-up blog articles or videos to study the meaning of these verses and others, but in the meantime, please follow these links for yourself and study in context, for yourself, what these Scriptures mean!

Deuteronomy 13:1-4 (NAS)

“If a prophet or a dreamer of dreams arises among you and gives you a sign or a wonder, and the sign or the wonder comes true, concerning which he spoke to you, saying, ‘Let us go after other gods (whom you have not known) and let us serve them,’ you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams; for the LORD your God is testing you to find out if you love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul. You shall follow the LORD your God and fear Him; and you shall keep His commandments, listen to His voice, serve Him, and cling to Him.”

Matthew 24:23-25 (BSB)

At that time, if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There He is,’ do not believe it. For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders that would deceive even the elect, if that were possible. See, I have told you in advance.

2 Corinthians 11:3-4, 13-15 (BSB)

I am afraid, however, that just as Eve was deceived by the serpent’s cunning, your minds may be led astray from your simple and pure devotion to Christ. For if someone comes and proclaims a Jesus other than the One we proclaimed, or if you receive a different spirit than the One you received, or a different gospel than the one you accepted, you put up with it way too easily.

For such men are false apostles, deceitful workers, masquerading as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their actions.

Galatians 1:8 (BSB)

But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be under a divine curse!

Related Reading

Classification of Christian Witches

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Other ‘Christian’ Occult Teachings: Jesus

In this short chapter, we describe how some Christians are fooled into following after a false Jesus. It is written specifically from the viewpoint of those Christians who are interacting with a false Jesus through visualization and/or those who are dissociative and are interacting with a false Jesus through their dissociative system. However, the principles we write about can be applied to many different types of situations concerning people who claim to “hear” special words from a “Jesus,” whether they are actually using visualization or not.

Bible Study: Romans 1:28

This is a short Bible study on Romans 1:28 and how it relates to discernment.

Deliverance from the Deception of the Anti-Christ

Loren Grace writes in this blog post about how the Father delivered her from the false light of Lucifer and from the deception of the antichrist, and how the Spirit of God brought healing and peace to her through this situation.

Duval’s ‘Judgement Decree’ at Montauk

This is but one example of a “prayer” that was written by a supposed “Christian” man who was channeling the demonic and engaged in what is called “automatic writing,” The pride and ego involved in this type of writing is very prominent in this particular example, but, as we’ve already stated, just the fact that people like this claim that their words are words of God or of Jesus is prideful at its root.

Occultists who consider themselves to be Christian as well as occultists who do not call themselves Christian do this sort of thing all the time, whereby they write things that their “angel” told them, or write things that they say “Jesus” told them, or write things that a supposed “Ascended Master” told them. This is called “channeling and automatic writing,” and it is an occult practice. So just because someone calls themselves “Christian” and says “Thus says the Lord” or “Here’s what Jesus told me” does not make the practice any less occult. It is occult. It is from Satan, not the Heavenly Father.

If pressed, we could give many different examples from different people that we have come across, even very recently, who write things that they believe are of “god” or of “Jesus” (update: see the links directly below for more examples), but actually are of the demonic. But for now, this will suffice as a good example of this type of ungodly channeling of messages from the demonic, coming from someone who is supposed to be a “Christian” man.

“Three Days and Nights of Darkness” and Why This Lie is Being Spread

This is an article that describes what the long prophesied “three days and nights of darkness” is supposed to be, and why it is not of God, even if it were to come to pass.

False Prophets and the Great Tsunami of September 2019

Here you can read a brief description of the “Great Tsunami of September 2019″ according to the words of “Elder/Ambassador Beniah Corneillie,” a.k.a, Mark Corneille of  “Two Witness Ministry,” and simply explains why this is a false prophecy from the mouth of a false prophet, even if such an event were to occur in the future.

A Common Example of Superstition and Witchcraft in Christian Circles

In this short article, we address what many people see as helpful and encouraging affirmations, but are an often overlooked danger that is taking people away from God’s true Word and onto false words that tickle the ears and make them “feel good.”

A Current Example of Occult Infiltrators Infecting Mainstream Christianity

This article addresses the practice of using “christian” tarot cards.

(Notice: this article has been updated to add a couple additional thoughts, as well as to provide links to related articles that have since been written on this website concerning this topic.)

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  1. I think you offer some sound spiritual “advice” here in this article. However, do you believe that God, via the Holy Spirit, has ceased speaking individually to His children thru dreams, prophecies or visions? If so, how do you explain the scriptures where it says plainly ” do not despise prophecies” ( 1 thess 5:20) Also, 1 Corinthians 12 is a chapter in scripture devoted to describing the various gifts of the Spirit. And of course, the famous scripture Acts 2:17 describes how in the last days, young men will “see visions and old men will dream dreams, and young women will prophesy” We are in the ” last days” clearly. So while admittedly, there are MANY scripture that tell us, there will be imposters claiming to hear from God but are hearing from demons-there still will be true saints who do hear from God and who do receive messages from Him via a dream or a vision or prophecy, the essence of which will be confirmed by scripture. Not criticizing the intent behind this article, as certainly, we are to be discerning in this hour.But at the same time just because many are abusing these things and misrepresenting God, there are those who ARE hearing from God and who desire the truth at all costs. And it would be a foolish thing to throw the baby out with the bathwater, because in doing so, that ” baby” might just be a true message from God speaking to His children for warning or edification. Shared thoughtfully for your consideration.


    1. Hello, thanks for your questions.

      Carolyn and I talk about what Scripture says about true prophets of God and their prophecies. You can read what we wrote here: https://carolynandloren.com/resources-ecw/book/section-two-common-motivators/ii-gifts-and-abilities/#prophets-in-church.

      I do not believe that the office of “prophet” has ceased to exist, and I disagree with the people who say it has. However, I refuse to engage in debate over the issue one way or the other, and as always, I am open to being corrected by Scripture that has been properly interpreted within context. However, regardless of whether or not the office of “prophet” exists for today, the way the office and the actual gift of prophecy has been used within many modern, charismatic churches and groups is by and large wrong, and it is not of God. Carolyn and I also write about this in our book. You can read it here: https://carolynandloren.com/resources-ecw/book/section-two-common-motivators/ii-gifts-and-abilities/#seers-and-prophets.

      If we are following after prophets and their prophecies, or following after dreams, visions, signs and wonders, or following after gifts, we are likely to be led astray, because we are focusing on the wrong thing. We are focusing not on our Father, but on other people and on gifts and abilities. So rather than follow after these things, we should follow Jesus Christ and do as He commanded: deny ourselves, daily pick up our cross, and follow the example that He gave of submitting to the will of the Father and being obedient to His Word over and above all else.

      If the Spirit of God gives us a vision or a dream or a word of prophecy, then He gives it to us. But we should seek after the Giver of gifts (our Heavenly Father), and not the gifts themselves. Gifts and abilities don’t prove that we have a relationship with God, but a relationship with God will result in gifts. And truly, it is more desirable to seek after the FRUIT of the Spirit of God, rather than gifts. God always gives gifts to His children. So there’s no need to chase after them, nor to chase after people who claim to have these gifts. Chase not after gifts, abilities, prophecies, signs, wonders, visions, dreams, etc. But chase after a relationship with the Father.

      Carolyn and I also write about all of this in our book.

      And certainly you alluded to one very important thing: any prophecy, dream, or vision must line up with the Word of God that has been properly interpreted within context.

      Additionally, we have to keep in mind that sometimes even false prophets (those who are working for Satan, whether consciously or unconsciously) may sometimes have visions or prophecies or the like that are actually true. But I offer a verse for contemplation:

      Deuteronomy 13:1-4 (NLT)

      “Suppose there are prophets among you or those who dream dreams about the future, and they promise you signs or miracles, and the predicted signs or miracles occur. If they then say, ‘Come, let us worship other gods’—gods you have not known before— do not listen to them. The LORD your God is testing you to see if you truly love him with all your heart and soul. Serve only the LORD your God and fear him alone. Obey his commands, listen to his voice, and cling to him.”

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      1. Furthermore, while you are reading 1 Thessalonians 5:20, don’t forget to read the next two verses: “Test all things. Hold fast to what is good. Abstain from every form of evil.”

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      2. I agree with you on all the points you’ve made.So there’s no disagreement from me. Especially where you said that we shouldn’t be ” chasing” after gifts. Rather, we should be chasing or pursuing a relationship with our heavenly Father. And as a result of that abiding relationship, at times, dreams, visions or prophecies from Him come as a result. Why? To encourage us, edify us and at times warn us. But they are not to be the main pursuit as you said. Our focus is to be on Jesus Christ and His word. And yes, I agree, we are certainly to test everything we hear…. no matter who it is. No matter what is said.The test is scripture and the witness of the Holy Spirit in us.


  2. Just wanted to add, I do sincerely agree with you that there is a strong need to warn the body of Christ of the many false prophets and charlatans who are making merchandise of God’s people and leading them astray. They are many. They care nothing about the truth. They care nothing about people. They care about themselves, and their reputations and their pocketbooks. By their fruits you shall know them scripture says. Rotten fruit stinks and is blatantly obvious to those who are pursuing a true relationship with THE truth, Jesus Christ. His sheep hear HIS voice, and another they will not follow.


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